Ok, maybe it’s because when I hear “the rules of this hobby” my skin crawls, or I’m just a natural rebel, but when I followed the link to this post from Simple Scrapper’s post today, it really bugged me.  Those of you who’ve spent time with me know how I feel about this already, but I think it’s time I speak out.

For those newbies with us who may not be aware, it is customary – no, often required – that when you post a layout online you post “credits” also.  The post I referred to above suggested that in order to give “proper” credit, you should note the source of everything on your layout down to the “tiniest button”!

Some galleries will only let you post layouts made with products from their site.  Others will require you to credit the designer, but not allow you to mention the site where you purchased the product if it is not their site.

How on earth is a girl to keep track of all these “rules” – and be CREATIVE??

Let’s look at the subject from another perspective, shall we?

Amanda Blue Sky Dress 007 sm_18402976876687449_largeI’m also a seamstress, having spent more hours than I care to remember working in various costume shops and one memorable backpack factory.  I have made my own patterns, and even made all the dresses for my wedding including my own!

Sewers work with many materials: sourced from one retailer, several retailers, or taken from a long-held ‘stash’.  They start with patterns (templates), and make changes small and large to the design or cut.  They use fabrics (papers) with copyrighted prints by name designers, and add trims and fasteners (embellishments).  They’ve formed communities and proudly share photos of their work in galleries (galleries!).

But where are the credits?  Occasionally someone will link to a pattern they found online, or mention a favorite fabric designer.  But I’ve never seen a listing that said:

Fabric: Fabulous Flowers by Sue Ellen Textiles, Thread: by Coats and Clarke’s premium sewer line, Zipper: from YKK home-sew collection, Lace Trim: handmade from GothMom at Etsy, Hook and Eye fastners: Sew-Rite at JoAnn Fabrics, Hem binding tape by Sew-Rite also at JoAnn Fabrics.

It would be laughable.

We purchased those supplies, and the entity that sold them to us understood that we would use them to make something, and call it our own work.  Fabric manufacturers wouldn’t DREAM of requiring people to credit their work when they post to online communities.  Browsing the gallery at JoAnn Fabrics – one of the largest sewing supply retailers in the industry – one is hard pressed to even find a reference to a pattern, unless it’s a post from JoAnn’s staff.  In other words, unless it’s ADVERTISING.

So here’s my question…

When did we decide that it was ok to let the manufacturers of the products we pay for bully us into doing their advertising?

I can see requiring your Creative Team members to post credits – you’re paying them (if only in product) to do so.  But to require – REQUIRE! – your customers to go out of their way to provide free advertising for you?   I’m not buying it.

5 REASONS NOT TO POST CREDITS

  1. It’s a pain in the butt to keep track.  This is clear by the sheer number of different ways people attempt to do this.
  2. It deters people from sharing.  Don’t tell me there haven’t been times you’ve decided not to post a layout somewhere because you didn’t note the credits and can’t remember where you got the supplies.
  3. It discourages newbies – they often find the complicated rules overwhelming and get discouraged from sharing.  These are the people who are the future of our industry, I think discouraging and intimidating them is bad policy for business.
  4. It limits our range.  People choose a site and stick with it because they know the ‘rules’ and don’t have to stress about what they can post.  While this may appear good for business, it’s bad for the industry.  Sites get ‘cliquey’ which puts off newcomers, people aren’t exposed to new ideas and styles and artists, and they actually spend LESS when they’re limited to the same designers over and over.
  5. It stifles the creative process.  People often just scrap from one kit, to make credit-keeping easier.  This results in layouts that are so much less than they could be.  I noticed a while ago that the scrappers I admire the most ALWAYS pull from multiple kits to get just the right piece.

3 REASONS TO POST CREDITS

  1. You found something you really love and just HAVE to share!  It’s wonderful to be able to turn your friends onto a product you love.
  2. You want to promote a particular site or designer – whether it’s to support a friend or you’re being paid as a Creative Team member.
  3. You want to head off questions.  There’s a particularly unique font, element or paper that you know people are going to want to know about.

As a matter of fact, I think that’s where this thing got out of hand.  I think people started posting credits because they realized they were being asked where they got things and thought they’d head off the questions.  Then designers said, “Hey!  I’ll get people to post layouts with my stuff and tell everyone where they got it, and they’ll all flock to my store!”  and Creative Teams were born.  Then sites decided to ‘protect’ their designers and started coming up with more and more restrictive ‘rules’… and here we are.

2 TIMES YOU SHOULD POST CREDITS

  1. When you scraplift or start with a template.  It is assumed the layout design is yours unless you specify otherwise, whereas it is NOT assumed you made the paper or other supplies.  So to avoid claiming credit for someone else’s work, you should always credit a scraplift or template source.
  2. When you made something yourself!  It’s never wrong to toot your own horn.  Be proud of what you’ve learned and inspire another scrapper to try making papers or elements by claiming credit.  Especially if you can link to a tutorial or other source and share the knowledge!

So…? What do you think?  Do you get annoyed by having to post credits?  Do you think it should be part of the purchase contract – that any time you post for public view work made with these items you must credit the designer/store?  Anyone belong to other artistic galleries for other mediums, and what are their crediting requirements?

Tawk amongst yerselfs. I’m gonna get some cawfee.
Jenn

PS – look in our gallery for our posting rules.  You won’t find them.  All I ask is you be kind, be honest, and don’t overload us with ‘advertising’ by CTs.

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  1. *taking a deep breath*

    AMEN SISTER.

    I have had these exact same thoughts. Back when I was more active in digi scrapping, the “rules” in the digi world became too stringent and I found myself resenting the time I spent compiling credits and then having to link to all of them. It was easier to just not post the layout in the first place.
    .-= Creative Junkie´s last blog ..I’d like a midlife crisis soon, please. While I’m still young enough to enjoy it. =-.

  2. IvoryKeys says:

    These are good points Jenn. I agree that crediting can be taken to the extreme. {As most things in life, right?)

    Two general rules I use are:
    1. If you use a kit for the majority of your layout credit it.
    2. If you use a template credit it. (Or scraplift)

    If you use something unique it’s always nice to share too. 🙂
    .-= IvoryKeys´s last blog ..Like Challenges? Got a Moment? =-.

  3. Paula says:

    Yes, I have not posted some of my favorite layouts because it would have been too much work to credit all of the various elements/kits. I think you are right we all should find a happy medium and then get over ourselves.

    • Nani says:

      I only post layouts I do for challenges or creative team layouts. Yes, that’s completely because of all the hassle that comes with using elements from another kit or more than one font.

      Also, if I’ve purchased a “work made for hire,” why am I obligated to advertise for free? My former employers don’t credit me for my ideas they still use. I got my paycheck already.
      .-= Nani´s last blog ..Happy Pi Day! =-.

  4. Twila Creech says:

    AMEN SISTA!!! This is the reason I haven’t been scrapping any more. I hate trying to keep up with everything and I always use one kit so I don’t have to remember as much. I have had layouts deleted beacuse they were not from they store so I don’t even go to that site anymore. GLAD someone else feels the same way.

  5. Vickie says:

    I couldn’t agree more!! Thanks for stating your views … I feel less alone 😀
    .-= Vickie´s last blog ..Alice in Wonderland Word Art =-.

  6. Caroline B. says:

    Totally agree !
    It’s a pain, I open the INFO panel in Photoshop and copy/paste the name of the elements I use, but it’s a waste of time … I didn’t know these rules when I begin and I post LO without credits… and I was asked for them again and again.
    Let’s imagine Picasso writing at the back of his paintings “I thank Mr. Acrylic for his paint tubes, Blue #1002 and white #3003, Mr. Bristle for his brushes N°25 and 30, and Mr. Pig for his Bristle..”…
    .-= Caroline B.´s last blog ..A freebie for the next Chinese New Year =-.

  7. Hummie says:

    Be aware, some of the TOU’s specify that you must give credit. In fact, many of them do.

    I guess you could go through all the TOU’s of everything you’ve ever downloaded and deleting anything on your computer that doesn’t require you to give credit so you don’t have to worry about whose stuff requires credits.

    If you are going to be making comparisons, what about the fact that you have to credit someone if you quote them? There are many other things that we do have to give credit to if you think about it.

    You cannot just make up your own rules or ignore rules because you don’t like the rules or they are too much work to follow.

    If that were the case, then all those term papers I wrote in college would have been much easier for me to write.
    .-= Hummie´s last blog ..ABC Challenge – Template D =-.

    • Jenn says:

      Actually, you don’t HAVE to credit someone if you quote them… it’s a courtesy. And this is NOT a degree program, it’s SCRAPBOOKING for heaven’s sake. Are there RULES for making watercolor paintings? RULES for crocheting? C’mon, lighten up.

      As far as I’m concerned, any designer who is going to REQUIRE that I advertise for her if I want to use stuff I paid for is NOT going to get my business. I do pay attention to terms of use, carefully, and do not purchase items accordingly. Judging from the comments here so far, maybe more people are doing that than you think.

      I think we all need to get over ourselves sometimes, and just enjoy being creative.

  8. Ewe Scrap says:

    I completely agree with your thoughts concerning ‘credits’. I applaud you for your courage. I don’t submit layouts for that very reason and there are more than a few sites that I don’t participate in their challenges because I don’t use their products. I do most of my own designing and don’t want or need the advertising. I also get a little annoyed when I read ‘be sure and share some love’ Buying their product or downloading their freebie ought to show you like it and that should be enough. If you have to ask for ‘love’ how sincere can it be.
    Thanks again for posting.

  9. Hummie says:

    What makes scraplifts, templates, and quick pages any different than crediting other things?

    In addition, who ever said there was a requirement to link the products? It really is not that much effort to keep a list of what kits and a designers name were used on a layout.
    .-= Hummie´s last blog ..ABC Challenge – Template D =-.

    • Jenn says:

      There is not usually a requirement to link the products, but I have seen designers’ TOU’s that do require a link. So it’s fair to say that it’s required sometimes.

      And I explained about scraplifts and templates – sorry you missed that, it went like this:
      “It is assumed the layout design is yours unless you specify otherwise, whereas it is NOT assumed you made the paper or other supplies. So to avoid claiming credit for someone else’s work, you should always credit a scraplift or template source.”
      To explain further – there is NOT an assumption that you created the supplies you are using, so you are not misrepresenting anything by not crediting. However there IS an assumption that the placement of said supplies is your own, so you do need to credit if you used another’s layout design. A very simple distinction.

      • Sharon says:

        “It is assumed the layout design is yours unless you specify otherwise, whereas it is NOT assumed you ……

        Sorry but I disagree with this. Isn’t that just another rule made up to be convenient. How are we expected to know who made the elements used if there is no credit. Won’t new scrappets not know thta little rule just as they don’t know the rule of giving credit to designers. I would not assume anything if I saw a layout wiht no credits but maybve after over 5 years I don’t know the rules.

  10. Elaine says:

    Yes, I totally agree. I use only one kit, because of all the rules. I also seldom post a LO, because of the reasons you stated.

  11. Jenn says:

    Well, y’all just come on and post your layouts over here. We’ll never jump on you for not having credits. We might pester you to help us find something you used that we simply HAVE to have… but we love to see your work! We all benefit when everyone shares, you never know where inspiration comes from!
    .-= Jenn´s last blog ..Hot Topic: 5 Reasons NOT to Post Credits! =-.

  12. jenjenjasp says:

    ROFL!!! Caro…you are too funny.

    All I can say, Jenn dear, is AMEN and AMMMMEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

    WOOHOO!!!!!

  13. Stan says:

    The one theme I think store owners should pick up from this discussion is comment like “I am not posting” or “I don’t got to sites that…”. We, as small business owners, shouldn’t make our businesses harder or less desirable for customers to use.

  14. dj says:

    SO true, I hate posting credits. I always do for CTs I’m on, but if I’ve paid for a kit I don’t feel any obligation to post credits. The other time I do is when its required for a challenge, but I don’t usually post any links in that case.
    I also agree that scraplifts, templates and qps should be credited-I don’t want to take credit for what another scrapper created.

    Caro-love that example. You are too much.

    Gotta start spending more time here, but where do I find more time?????

    • Jenn says:

      Hey DJ! I miss seeing your stuff, pop in from time to time. I know what you mean about the time, I wish I had more time to spend at PDW, jenjen’s always yelling at me. Whatcha going to do? Great to hear from you though!

  15. Tracy says:

    I really agree with alot of your points. I love to travel and shop at many different stores, but when it comes time to post my layouts, it’s hard to because I like to mix my products alot. And most of the time they aren’t from the same ‘store’ and I can’t post it at their gallery then. I usually just post my CT layouts because I used 100% of the designers kit. I love mixing and matching my items. I think I’m going to come over here and hang out 🙂
    .-= Tracy´s last blog ..Great weekend! =-.

    • Jenn says:

      Come on over Tracy! We have a tutorial crop every Thursday night you might find fun – we hand out a new tut every week with something to hopefully inspire you to try something new (or old!) and then we chat and get silly. We’d LOVE to see what you’re making these days – I’m always looking for talent to scraplift! And I’ll be sure to credit you 🙂

      • jenjenjasp says:

        yup…she is telling the truth! lol

      • maggie says:

        I agree totally, with tracy i also like to shop at different stores,and believe me when i say this i can hardly remember the name of the kit i used
        never mind all the xtras. In saying this i am over 60 and it does get harder to remember things when you are still learning and trying to retain all the information, not forgetting fonts etc.
        I have pages i cant upload as i simply cant remember if some of the items where freebies or not ., Give us seniors a break its just one of the small pleasures in life.

  16. Fran says:

    I think if you are organized in your file system, it is very simple to keep track of credits. I find it wonderful to do so and to honor the designers of the kits I use. I think trying to promote people to not credit is not a very good idea. You compare to sewing a dress. If you decided to submit your dress to a publication, then you would be required to post credits for your pattern and fabric and threads, just like you joke about. When we “publish” our layouts to various scrap sites we are doing just the same. It is respectful to credit designers and I am not really sure why you would encourage people to change that.

    I do not think that crediting kits affects many people from posting layouts. Maybe newcomers have issues but once they learn, they know for life. Perhaps better training is necessary, as it is not very hard to do. People leave sites for various reasons, I have changed favorites sites many times, none because of gallery reasons. Most people move on to different styles and higher skills and that is why they move, or maybe they don’t feel like “home” on the forum. Those are the reasons most people leave sites.

    When I create my layouts I have my program open and a notepad window open. I list each item as I use it on my notepad file. I have a .txt file for EVERY scrap page I have ever created. I name it the same as my scrap page so that they will be together in windows explorer. Sometimes I use items from several kits and I will put in parenthesis (button) or (stitching) if it is just one item from the kit. If the layout is for CT posting, then I even include all the links in my notepad file. When I go to each gallery to post my page, I merely cut and paste from my notepad file, takes 2 seconds to do.

    The psychologist in me says that those that hide behind the excuse of “credits are too hard to post” are insecure of their layouts and using it as an “excuse”.
    .-= Fran´s last blog ..Amazing Deals =-.

    • Katie says:

      I, for one, have stopped posting most pages that aren’t for my CTs or for challenges because of credits.

      I have been digiscrapping for 2 years, and I LOOOVE digiscrapping. I like it because it’s FAST, and keeping track of every item in every kit for every page wastes my time, it ruins the fun of scraping for me. I no longer share my personal, meaningful, memory pages unless I can do them AND fulfill my CT requirements, too (or if the kit I used is a single kit and I absolutely love it so much others must have it too). In those cases, I ONLY use ONE SINGLE kit, whereas the pages I create for my children’s books are covered with items from many kits.

      I’m not an organized scrapper (I do have an odd memory for special kits I’ve used). ACDSee doesn’t work for Win7, and it never worked for me as tagging also wastes my precious scrapping time. I have a hard enough time making sure that I scrap my kids’ pages in order and keep them coordinated.

      If I post, I credit because that’s what I was told to do, but that means that I don’t post as much as I create, and I have some AMAZING pages that would look really great in my gallery. If it was acceptable to just say “A big thanks to SF, VA, SCD, AH, POD… for their amazing digiscrapping supplies”, then well, that would be GREAT!
      .-= Katie´s last blog ..Freebies and a CT Call! =-.

      • Nani says:

        When I started digi-scrapping in 2007, galleries were fun places that you made friends by sharing your memories. Now, most of what I see in galleries is CT^ and advertising and often, they are done with uncredited photos stolen off the internet, userd without permission or compensation. Wonderful double standard.

        I prefer the old days when the photos were actual personal photos and it was still a hobby, before a “business” first.
        .-= Nani´s last blog ..Happy Pi Day! =-.

    • janet says:

      Or, we really just don’t want to post layouts because we don’t feel like posting credits. Or maybe even just taking the time to upload any more. Not everything has deep rooted insecurities and I’m sure a psychologist would probably agree. 🙂

      I was very active at digital sites for a few years and I have a large gallery to prove that. One day it came to me that I had lost the love of digiscrapping and pulled out of it all. I scrap for me and for my family. It’s not insecurity or even disorganization.

      I respect the rules of digiscrapping, tou’s, and posting in galleries. So, since I don’t feel like tracking credits, I just don’t post any longer. And if the rules change one day, I might reconsider posting my layouts. Or if I have extra time one day and feel like crediting.

    • Zanne says:

      Fran… that just makes the process even longer. I think the point they are trying to make is… People scrap to have fun & some people like to make the process as quick as possible because of their busy lives. They don’t want to do anymore than they have to. Having to keep up with every little item is too much trouble & time consuming.

      • jenjenjasp says:

        Well, Janet…as a psychologist for real, I do agree. rofl. There are many reasons not to upload a layout! now Freud would say….

    • Jewel says:

      Sharing layouts on the web is not the same as publishing in print. I would agree that if you are going to publish in print you would need to credit – but not for sharing in forums. I think Jenn made extremely good points and I am going to reconsider my own TOUs. I have never required credit for CU items for similar reasons. If I make something to sell at a craft fair I don’t have to tell people I got my red ribbon from Michaal’s, a wooden tin from the dollar store, etc. I cant think of a single other form of art or craft that requires credits. I like to give credits, it honours the designer, but I am definitely reconsidering requiring them in my TOU. So thanks for the blog post!!
      .-= Jewel´s last blog ..NSBR – A Lesson Learned =-.

      • Sharon says:

        “Sharing layouts on the web is not the same as publishing in print. I would agree that if you are going to publish in print you would need to credit – but not for sharing in forums.”

        The web is today’s print. You open everything up to the world when you place anything online. If it is a forum anyone can join and they can view your layout it is ‘published’

    • Kim says:

      “I think if you are organized in your file system, it is very simple to keep track of credits.” – that may be true for you but not everyone is good at keeping their files organized and it is NOT simple when you have used over 10 different designer’s items on one layout.

      “When we “publish” our layouts to various scrap sites we are doing just the same.” Sorry, but I don’t consider myself as being “published” when I post a layout to a gallery. I suppose I should be going around telling all my friends that I have had my scrapbook pages “published”.

      “I do not think that crediting kits affects many people from posting layouts.” – well, you’d be wrong.

      “Maybe newcomers have issues but once they learn, they know for life. Perhaps better training is necessary, as it is not very hard to do.” – You’ve got to be kidding me. This is a hobby for most people. It should be FUN and CREATIVE. People should not have to be TRAINED!

      “When I create my layouts I have my program open and a notepad window open. I list each item as I use it on my notepad file. I have a .txt file for EVERY scrap page I have ever created.” – Well then, good for you! But, again, this is a HOBBY and should be FUN. Getting bogged down with keeping up with each and every stitch and button it getting a little OCD in my opinion.

      “The psychologist in me says that those that hide behind the excuse of “credits are too hard to post” are insecure of their layouts and using it as an “excuse”.” – And again, you’d be wrong…..How incredibly condescending this comment is.

  17. Angie says:

    I LOVE what you are saying. Credit lists are a PITA. I do them, but do feel less motivated to use a variety of products from various designers because I would have to list every little thing. The only thing is that if I really love the layout I did, the credit lists help me to go back to that same kit or element. I have a huge stash, as I am sure most digiscrappers do.

  18. Jenn, I can certainly see your side of things, but I disagree that we should catalyze an anti-credit movement.

    On one hand, it is important for designers/shops to be aware that some scrappers may not be as active in the community.

    On the other (and a much bigger hand), I feel that its our obligation as a community to support the small businesses we love. As the mainstream (i.e. corporate) scrapbooking industry edges more and more into digital, its going to be harder for small shops to stay afloat.

    Companies like ScrapHD are already luring away digital designers as they appease LSS owners who are worried about digital.

    Credits are one small, and not really that difficult, way to do our part to keep the dollars in designer’s pockets. Designers that you and I call friends.

    Think of digi as a small town, with a mom & pop hardware store. And then Walmart comes in.. and what usually happens? If you want your mom & pop shop to survive, don’t you usually tell all your friends (i.e. give credit)?

    • Jewel says:

      See I agree with you that communities need to band together to protect themselves from corporate bullies (I could talk for hours about how anti-Wallmart I am) but if someone told me I was REQUIRED to stand up to Wallmart to defend my local hardware store, I’d take issue with that too. Crediting as a courtesy and supportive movement is a good thing.
      .-= Jewel´s last blog ..NSBR – A Lesson Learned =-.

  19. 5peasinapod says:

    I’ve been in digi scrapping for four years and I was just thinking of how different it all feels. It seems that it is getting away from community and more towards business and less authentic relationships. Hey, maybe it’s just me.

    I’m at a point right now that I would rather just buy my own kits and go to different sites instead of staying loyal to one or two.

    If there is a designer that will not allow me to post my layouts without credits, I would like to know so that I no longer buy from that designer. For those of you reading this thinking that I should read the TOU for everything(personal use only) then I hope I haven’t bought anything from you or someone you ct for…
    .-= 5peasinapod´s last blog ..100 Book Challenge is within reach =-.

    • Zanne says:

      Too be honest I never read TOU’s. I figures I’m not selling, sharing or claiming I made it so I can’t possibly be doing anything illegal. I don’t have the time to read every TOU. I want to enjoy being creative & get on with my day.

  20. 5peasinapod says:

    By the way, thanks for posting this. I am actually seeing some honesty that is not tied to a price tag.
    .-= 5peasinapod´s last blog ..100 Book Challenge is within reach =-.

  21. Julie says:

    I don’t require crediting for my products – it’s clearly stated in my TOU. It’s ridiculous to demand people to do my advertising for me! And I really REALLY agree with Stan. This should be about serving, not dictating/limiting/requiring/browbeating the customer 🙂 But then I tend to think that people should be free to create whatever they like without me telling them they’re doing it wrong, too 🙂
    .-= Julie´s last blog ..Ah, Time. =-.

    • jenjenjasp says:

      And Julie? THAT is why we love you so much. and to be honest? BECAUSE you are that way, I WANT to post credits for you. Well, that and I help CT for you and well, I just LOVE your stuff….it is gorgeous. So i want everyone to know where to find you.

      ahem…nuff said.

    • Sharon says:

      “But then I tend to think that people should be free to create whatever they like without me telling them they’re doing it wrong, too :)”

      Absolutely agree with you here. BUTTTTT You should be free to create and keep your layout for yourself , show your family but if you open it up to the world wide web it is a different kettle of fish.

      • Sharon says:

        PS Credits are not to do advertising for Designer’s or shouldn’t be [except in the case of the ridiculous number of layouts purely made for advertsiing purposes. They should be for giving credit where credit is due.

        • Karin says:

          It is advertising if designer asks me to credit every single item from every single kit I used. If they merely ask me to credit them in name only as the maker, that’s not advertising, that’s no different than giving credit to a photographer on a stock photo.
          .-= Karin´s last blog ..Art Journal Caravan =-.

          • Sharon says:

            Karin that is an interesting distinction. I thought the debate here was that they should not be required to give any credit at all. I think a lot of designers would be happy with just a ‘thank you to …..’ or kit by ……

            I don’t think you should be required to list every single item separately or give links [particularly as those change.]for personal layouts. We do deserve credit as does a stock Photographer for anything publically viewable but my name is all I would ask for.

          • Jenn says:

            Actually it IS advertising. Look at the people who say, “I like when people credit because when I see something I like, I know where to get it”. Designers require their CTs to credit because it’s advertising. Why would the same credits not be advertising when other people post them? Doesn’t matter whether you post a list of names, or list ‘button by so and so’ it’s still advertising.

            And most stock photos you PAY to use do not require attribution. I buy them all the time for my other business. If I use an image with a creative commons attribution license, then I have to credit it. But if I’ve PAID for the use of the image, then I don’t have to attribute it. My thought is we’ve supported the designer by paying for the kit, we should not be required to do more. If the designer isn’t being paid enough for the work and feels they need to get advertising to make up for it, then she needs to raise her prices.

  22. janet says:

    (posted this on hummie’s world @ facebook to)

    I stopped posting in galleries because I hate the pressure of remembering who made what when I scrap. Did I miss crediting that stitching or staple? What if I drew inspiration from another layout and forgot? I personally think that requiring credits goes beyond the definition of personal use. The hobby can get lost in the business. Crediting does stiffle my creativity and I think that it can lead to this inner monster which kills the entire reason we picked up scrapbooking in the first place.

    In the case of a term paper you have to to site your sources because you can’t claim someone else’s academic ideas as your original ideas. I think it’s well known in digital scrapbooking that I probably didn’t make the item. And I’m not claiming to either. Nor am I trying to get a better “grade” on my layout by using someone else’s designs. If that is the intent (as in getting published in magazines, creative teams, etc) then I think credits are necessary as that scrapper has agreed to step into the commercial realm of the hobby. But for the everyday hobby scrapper that just wants to be apart of a scraping community and show-off their cute layouts, credits shouldn’t be necessary.

    I no longer scrapbook to show off that I bought something from a designer or to promote other designers by being on creative teams. I’m also no longer a designer. I left the commercial world of digiscrap to get back to the roots of scrapbooking. It’s for my family to preserve their memories. In years to come, credits won’t matter. Designers and stores come and go. My galleries are filled with layouts credited to designers and stores that no longer exist. My albums will be apart of my family and they won’t care who designed what. And I’m not about to post credits in my own scrapbook no matter what a TOU says.

  23. Char says:

    Great post, and interesting comments! I am in a unique position of using MOST of my digi-scrap supplies for my business. I do scrap-for-hire and digital designs for a living, and the only time I post anything anywhere, it’s in my etsy shop. In this case I’m required to list credits, and I have no problem doing so because if it weren’t for the designers’ lovely designs, I wouldn’t have a product or sample.

    On the other hand, I do NOT post to galleries online anymore, because when I’m scrapping for myself (versus for customers), I let myself be a lot more “free” in my scrapping and don’t pay attention to the who/what/where did I get it from questions.

  24. Jennifer says:

    I would like to say to Fran who thinks she is a psychologist that I dont think it means that anyone is insecure about their layouts they just dont want to deal with all the crap that comes along with some of the message boards. people tend to get on their high horses and state things that may offend people just like your little pyscho-analysis. Who wants to go to a board like that?
    It may be easy for some people to post credits. Some people are just more organized than others. For others it is a chore to keep up with everything. Scrapbooking is suppose to be fun, thats why its a hobby, not a JOB. Its just added stress.
    Also, to 5peasinapod, bravo! I like your outlook!

  25. Jennifer says:

    Oh and one last thing. I dont have anything against posting credits. I just think it should be an option, not a requirement.

  26. just sarah says:

    I love this!! You rule breaker, you!! LOL. I just posted the link on twitter and facebook. I love how most of the opinions are the same – it sucks to post credits. And I love the few comments of those who try to control the “industry”. I can say that I have never been involved in a community that has so many rules and must do’s.

    I am going on 2 years of digi-scrapping and other than the friends I have made and lovely layouts I have created, it has not been an enjoyable experience. I paper scrapped for years and never had the need to post things online so I had never had to credit things before. I would shop for lots of fun product, come home, dump it all out of the packaging, put it away – alphas with alphas, tags with tags, etc… and then just scrap my heart away.

    I do this with my digi-stuff also but it is hard when I go to post it. I do keep my CT kits together until I have used it, then I break it up. I dont scrap with CT kits for challenges anymore because it does limit my creativity. My favorite layouts are the ones where I use a lil from here and a lil from there, and I dont care what store the person was/is at.

    It is curious though that we are “required” to do something with the product we purchased with our own hard earned money. Interesting. I wonder if other industries would pick up on that. Diet Coke might require that if we drink their product that we eat Dorito’s only. Gap may require that you can only wear Gap accessories if wearing their jeans. Seriously, it could get out of control.

    But thanks for being the brave one and taking on this topic. I think we need to have more “why” and less “just follow”.
    .-= just sarah´s last blog ..I gotta feeling…. =-.

    • Talia says:

      Well said, Sarah! I’ve often thought that about all the paper scrap supplies that I’ve bought. I’ve not once had to credit anyone for the papers or stickers that I put on my pages. When I’ve uploaded photos of my projects with stuff from JoAnn’s, I didn’t have to site who made what. I could just enjoy showing off my work. It’s sad that there’s so many rules and we can’t just be proud of our work and appreciate that of others.

    • Zanne says:

      This is America… home of out of control excessive behavior! LOL

  27. Jenn says:

    For heaven’s sake people, I’m NOT ORGANIZING SOME KIND OF MOVEMENT! I’m just saying we need to rethink and relax our approach, because we’re driving away the very people we need to survive.

    You are WELCOME to credit if you like!! Just don’t punish me if I don’t. Calling me names like “lazy’ is just not productive. Judging by the comments here, many people find collecting credits stifling to the creative process.

    And yes, the “big guys” will eventually come in and overwhelm the market, I saw that coming several years ago. There will always be room for smaller sites, independent designers, etc., but the big companies aren’t going to let this market we grew for them go un-noticed. So go ahead tell your friends. I do it all the time – I love to promote my fave designers. But don’t think that it’ll keep the big companies out of this biz. And face it, they have more resources to bring to bear than we do.

    So if you want to credit a designer, for whatever reason, go to it. But if you don’t, that should be fine too. It’s all about telling our stories. At least, it used to be.

    @Jennifer (Simple Scrapper) – I not only call designers friends – I used to be one. I spent years toiling as a designer, and have a good idea of what it takes to sell in this industry. Yet I’m not offended if someone who paid me good money for my work doesn’t mention me in a post. Like Julie said I’m not into browbeating my customers. Not good for business.

    And yes, this is a business. You know that as well as anyone, you are very good at running your scrap-related business! And the digi-world is so much better for efforts like yours.

    I think we’d all be a lot better off if we worked in a more business-like manner like you do rather than getting all emotional and indulging in name-calling and petty pissing contests.

    • I very much agree there shouldn’t be punishing, browbeating or name-calling. I also agree that designers should not be specifying detailed credit requirements in a TOU.

      I do think, however, that crediting is a norm of goodwill in the community that should not go away. I’m not going to get mad at your or anyone if you don’t, but I would want to encourage you to do it. To me, it’s just what’s right.

      • Stan says:

        And I agree wholeheartedly – credit / mentions / kudos and praise unasked for is really the best advertising a designer or site can get. And that’s what the new trend of in-bound marketing is trying to accomplish – engaging our customers enough and in such a delightful way that they want to talk about and recommend a product. What rankles us is the requirement to do so.

      • Jenn says:

        See, that’s what bothers me though, because when you said it’s “right” then you’re saying I’m “wrong”! I don’t think we should be making those judgments. If it’s right for you, then just do it. And if you want to encourage people to do it, encourage away. But I’m pretty sure there are not those kind of moral imperatives in this case. Sharing digital files with people who’ve not paid for them is wrong. Not posting a few credits is a personal choice and should be respected as such.

  28. Kristi says:

    I find crediting to be a PITA generally but do it for the most part. I only post at open galleries though and for challenges crediting is an essential part of getting ‘credit’ myself for doing the challenge correctly.

    The main point I wanted to bring up is the fallacy of the comparisons between digital supplies and physical products purchased then used in a craft or sewing project. Physical products are consumable and carry with them a ‘doctrine of first sale’. Yes, you bought it and can do as you wish with it. There’s a few prohibitions such as Scrap for Hire which some companies do not allow (of course my solution was to add ‘shopper for hire’ and invoice those supplies separately so that the client was the buyer and could legally hire me to add those items to their pages…lol!) HOWEVER, when you get to digital, you are not purchasing a consumable physical product. You’re purchasing a license to use a digital file. This license comes with terms and those terms still count even if you don’t like them. The Scrap for Hire movement has aided in getting up front disclosure of TOU’s in many stores…in fact, just check the links in some designers’ signatures! So you don’t have to buy blind anymore…mostly.

    And speaking of sewing, the digital piracy problem is rampant among designers of digital embroidery files too. I don’t know if they will ever get to a ‘crediting designers’ stage but I don’t think it’s too much to do to help combat piracy.

    • Jenn says:

      GREAT points, Kristi! Thanks for chiming in! You’re right, it’s hard to compare digital rights to physical stuff, but that was the best analogy I could come up with off the top of my head.

      I think it’s GREAT that designers are starting to put links to their TOUs in their stores. We should not have to purchase something only to find out later that we don’t want it because of difficult terms. I’ve even been known to email designers and ask about TOU before purchasing, as I too do a lot of scrap for hire work.

      Piracy is an issue. Everywhere. Ask the film and music industries. But the music industry learned the hard way that making it difficult for your customers to use your stuff the way they want to is not good for business. We can learn from their mistakes, and still combat piracy without annoying the heck out of the people who are honest and pay for our work!

  29. Talia says:

    Well said, Jenn! I was so frustrated when I started digiscrapping and refused to post my layouts anywhere because I was scarred that the “digital scrapbooking nazis” (as I call them) would come after me and get me in trouble. I wouldn’t even let my new digiscrapping friends be on my Facebook page because I was posting my layouts there for my family without credits. I eventually got over it & posted a general statement that if they wanted to know what I used for a certain page then just ask.

    Often I hear so much about how it’s awesome when we make our digital pages look like paper scrapping. I’ve bought paper scrapping supplies and not one package came with a TOU that required me to credit the designer. Once I paid for it, it was mine to do as I pleased. I think that digital designers have really gone off the deep end with crediting and TOUs. They really just need to lighten up and act like the rest of the production world.

  30. Jenna says:

    I agree that I LOVE it when designers have their TOUs accessible prior to purchase. As a newbie, I have struggled with keeping track of credits, but at the same time, without the designer’s beautiful products, my layouts would not be what they are. I think listing credits is a wonderful courtesy. Both to the designer, and also any scrappers who would like to purchase the kit themselves.

  31. 5peasinapod says:

    I love hometown locally grown/owned places of business and try to support them when ever possible. However I support those stores by going there and paying for their product/services, not by pasting their bumper sticker on my car and showing everyone else. If someone asks, I would point them in that direction.

    However, I would not and will not support a mom and pop shop if mom and pop expect me to do something other than by their product. My money should be enough support.

    I think this might come off as sounding mean or mad…anything but. I just don’t want to deal with the drama. If you are upset at this post, you are part of the drama!
    .-= 5peasinapod´s last blog ..100 Book Challenge is within reach =-.

  32. Marly says:

    Kudos! It is about time someone spoke out – thank you.

  33. Jennifer says:

    I have actually known traditional scrappers who were “turned off” by all the do’s and dont’s of digital that decided that it was just easier to stay traditional. So it is true that we are running some potential scrappers away. Then there are other people I know who just wont post their layouts and share because of all the trouble it is to have to post and keep up with credits. When your on a creative roll, you dont want to have to stop and say “oh, wait..did I credit that button? Where did I get that button from?” and have to go search for it just so you can show someone your layout. Then by the time you do find that button again chances are you forgot what you were doing to begin with and there went your creative mojo! Once again, I think it should be a choice.

  34. Julie says:

    When I first started digiscrapping, I didn’t know that there were “rules.” I was really quite horrified and it took a lot of the fun out of it to have to keep track, but I was assured by the person who taught me that it was the “Proper” thing to do. I think one reason I almost exclusively scrap with my own designs is due to that initial resentment, and it’s most certainly why I do not require crediting.

    I guess I can see the need if a layout is published in a magazine, but in a layout gallery? Very different circumstance, IMO.
    .-= Julie´s last blog ..Ah, Time. =-.

  35. anneofalamo says:

    wow…there is a credit gestapo? I haven’t seen one yet, where are they? Who are they?
    I looked at some of the TOUs of the kits I have and most say to some degree, I would love if you gave or please give credit and would really love to see what you do with my designs…hey that is nice, I love to show my rearrangements to them!
    It’s a request not a Rule .

    I have done this so many times:
    hey to the designers I blatantly forgot to credit, I got in the mojo mode of creating and well, totally spaced, I do remember opening “so and so’s, but can’t remember if I used it or not”
    and gotten hilarious comments back!
    I am in awe of the nicely typed credits of some especially in the art caravan of Tangie’s over at SBG! Wow, these folks are good! ha ha

    all words used in this post are from the dictionary…except for one’s I made up and if you use no credit is required. 🙂 but appreciated. ha ha
    .-= anneofalamo´s last blog ..Watermelon Freebie Quick Page =-.

    • Jennifer says:

      Wow Anne, You are my idol. I love what you have said!

    • Jenn says:

      😀 You are too funny! Thanks for the welcome shot of good humor, Anne!

    • Katie says:

      Isn’t Anne wonderful! Anne, honey, you make me laugh, and I LOVE that!

      I will say, that about a year ago, I shared every layout I had ever done, which I had been keeping LOCKED/Private on a photo sharing site in case of HD failure. I got my A$$ handed to me from several people b/c there weren’t credits on each and every page. I was simply asked a question about it, so I unlocked it for a couple hours.

      I have since stopped using it for backup b/c I was so hurt by the attack, dismayed by the anger, and terrified to have pages out there, even under private settings, without full credits. That was also when I stopped uploading anything that isn’t 100% single kit.
      .-= Katie´s last blog ..Freebies and a CT Call! =-.

  36. Jenn says:

    As a designer and scrapper, I only publicly post my LOs for CT work or my own product advertising – because let’s face it, a credit in a LO in a gallery is advertising. I don’t care how many ‘friends’ you have at that site – it’s advertising. I require it of my CT to post credits because well, that’s what they’re getting free kits to do. I couldn’t care less if a customer puts their LO in a gallery and doesn’t credit me. Their credit was purchasing my products (and I thank you for that!).

    My TOU states to ‘give credit where credit is due.’ You get something published, you credit my loot. You want to post in a gallery for people to ooo and aah over… do so with or without the credits. I couldn’t care less and have far better things to do than be the credit police. I appreciate credit on my templates, but don’t require it. You buy them, enjoy them.

    You get something for free, return the favor by giving credit – but I’m not going to hunt you down if you don’t and I certainly don’t require it.

    I don’t even care if people buy my templates and don’t credit them. I love seeing people win LOTD with one of my uncredited templates and hope they love it, too. I hope they sell 100 kits using my templates. I don’t even care if people lift my LOs and don’t credit them – being an inspiration is credit enough. I don’t need to see my name in credits to feel special.

    I also don’t think credits or TOUs or anything combat piracy. You can’t control people with rules and regulations. Some people don’t understand what really constitutes stealing and the others just don’t care. Any belief a TOU deters piracy is a delusion. All it does is help you if you pursue any legal action.
    .-= Jenn´s last blog ..New Releases – Charmed, Lucky, Bundles, and Some QPs! 🙂 =-.

  37. Tracy says:

    I don’t normally comment on things like this, but today I felt compelled to 🙂

    I have to say, I appreciate Jenn for writing this article because it has forced me to look a hard look at my TOU, not as a designer, but as a customer. To be honest, when I first started designing, I didn’t have the first clue what my TOU should be! A fellow designer, and good friend, who mentored me in the early days when I was learning how to design, invited me to use her TOU as a jumping off point. She also suggested I read the TOU file from some of my other favorite designers and incorporate parts of theirs that I felt to be important. And thus, my TOU file was born.

    Since the day I wrote it, to be honest, I’ve given it little thought. Do I include it with every product I sell? Of course. Protecting one’s designs is important. But, have I ever trolled the galleries looking for things made with my products that weren’t credited just so I could go after that person and brow-beat them for violating my TOU? Absolutely not! I have no time for such nonsense and could never be that unkind to someone who spent money on my designs, in the first place. I doubt there are many designers who would engage in such behavior. However, do I go through the galleries looking for layouts made with my products? Heck yeah, I do! I’m always looking for talented people who use my designs in a way I love. Whether that be to invite them to CT for me, or to reward them with a thank you coupon and highlight them in my customer newsletter. Or, even just to leave them some love on their layout and say “Hey, I really love how you used my kit. Thanks, its beautiful!”

    My TOU has always been linked on my blog from the day I started selling my designs, but I just recently joined in on the trend of including a link to my TOU with every product I sell in my store. I agree, I wish all designers did the same… none of us should be hiding our TOU from our customers. But, I think, after reading this post and the subsequent comments, I am going to re-evaluate what my TOU actually says and probably make a large edit to them! I don’t ever want a customer to feel like creating with my designs would cause them undue burden in the “crediting” phase. I just want them to like my work and use my designs to celebrate their memories on their pages.

    That said, I will ALWAYS appreciate it when I am credited for my work, but you’re right, it shouldn’t be required. And from now on, this designer will not be requiring credit. That all said, I do hope people will continue to credit, because searching for my design business name is how I find layouts in the various galleries in the digiverse to comment on. If you make the choice not to credit me when you use my stuff, you’ll do so knowing I’ll probably never see it nor comment on your layout! It just becomes a tiny needle in a BIG OLE haystack, ya know? 🙂

    And one last note before I go… I would like to express that I take great exception to this comment…

    “I also get a little annoyed when I read ‘be sure and share some love’
    Buying their product or downloading their freebie ought to show you like
    it and that should be enough.”

    There is a VERY big difference between being required to credit a product you paid for, and saying thank you when you download a freebie. The unfortunate thing about the digi world is that it makes relationships “faceless” and thus people feel free to treat others with a lack of decency all too often! When a designer makes and shares a freebie you should ALWAYS say thank you when you download it. It is no different than someone handing you something for free in real life. Would you just take it and walk away without a word of thanks? Sorry, my mother raised me better than that. If you are given something for free, it is right and proper to take three seconds of your time to type 8 tiny little letters.

    Thanks for a thought-provoking post, Jenn. I’m off to amend my TOU!! 🙂
    .-= Tracy´s last blog ..New Releases for March 12th, 2010 =-.

    • Jennifer says:

      I agree with you on the thank you’s for the freebies. That’s just common courtesy you learn in real life. Thank you for paying attention and being willing to listen to what your customers want. And where do you sell? I want to come buy from you!

      • Tracy says:

        ScrapMatters! 🙂 I have my own ZEN store, too… but I’m woefully behind in keeping it up-to-date, lol. I’m telling you, and most designers would probably agree, I could benefit from 30-hour days!! lol

        Thanks for agreeing on the freebie thing. I have never downloaded a freebie without taking a second of my time (while I waited to unzip it!) to say thank you. I just had a freebie I posted the beginning of this month. It’s been downloaded nearly 2000 times… and yet, I have about 20 comments. Stuff like that can really get a designer down. It’s sad that so many people don’t stop to realize we’re just regular people who appreciate gratitude as much as the next guy does! 🙂
        .-= Tracy´s last blog ..New Releases for March 12th, 2010 =-.

    • Jenn says:

      Thanks, Tracy, and I agree with you about the thanks on the freebies. My point is if you PAY for something, it shouldn’t come with strings attached.

      But honestly, the problem isn’t with designers. It’s sites that shut down people’s galleries or message them until they add credits. Or in any other way make people feel bad about what they’ve posted. But designers are the heart of the sites, and if we can convince our hosts to be more generous, we’d all benefit!

      • Tracy says:

        I think sometimes the hosts are being less generous because they feel pressured to do so by community trends or the designers in their stores. If change is to come, it will only come by cooperation.

        And for the record, I knew you weren’t addressing freebies in your post. But since someone else thought to try and lump that into the conversation, I found it valuable to point out there IS and should be a distinction between “paid for” and “free.” 😉
        .-= Tracy´s last blog ..New Releases for March 12th, 2010 =-.

    • Carolyn says:

      I agree to say thank you for the freebys, but I don’t like the ones that say I’d better leave a thank you! I like to leave a thanks because I am greatful for the piece I am given, not because I have been told to!

  38. Brandi says:

    Here’s my unpopular opinion (and why I put most of my layouts on my private Facebook instead of public galleries) – I don’t see why it matters. You can get the same things anywhere. And yes, I design and I still say it. There are very few designers out there doing anything original. Everything looks like everything else. I have over 500 pink papers categorized in my ACDSee. When things are a dime a dozen, who cares who made it?
    .-= Brandi´s last blog ..Creative Team Call =-.

  39. Abby says:

    I thought I was the only one who had difficulty with credits. It has kept me from posting a lot of my pages to galleries because I didn’t want to get the credits wrong. It’s nice to see a real conversation about this topic. Thank you!

  40. deborah says:

    ha I must be the only one who never really thought about it, and just automatically did it because, well… sometimes I can’t remember where the heck the ribbon is that I used on a page and wanna use it again… having the credits leads me right back to that ribbon… I must be weird, huh lol

  41. liz says:

    What a great discussion.
    I have to say that I don’t have a problem crediting.
    It can get cumbersome for challenges when I have used twenty different elements from twenty different kits, but I do my best to keep track of the designer at the very least.

    I love looking through galleries for inspiration and am always amazed at the beautiful stuff that is out there. I read credits, hoping that the scrapper has put the kit name so that I can go find it or the designer. Most of the kits I buy are because I loved a layout using that product. Today I went through about six different credits a scrapper made to find the designer/kit and was happy to have found it. Now, it is in my shopping cart.

    I have spent over thirty years paper crafting and rubber stamping. Crediting products in the magazines and publications is the rule, not the exception.

    I think there is a difference in posting to an online digital scrapping gallery and posting layouts on my blog or Facebook for my family and friends to see too. My family wouldn’t have a clue who XYZ designer is, nor would they care. At a digital scrapping site, the assumption is people are there with a shared interest in scrapping. There might be other people out there who like the product, and might want to check it out further. That is why I credit. It is a reference for other scrappers, and it is a courtesy to the designers whose stuff I liked enough to upload to a gallery and share with the scrapping community. I have never resented crediting.

  42. Cari Cruse says:

    I am a digiscrap designer, and I totally agree with you. Naturally I require my CT members to post credits – that’s what they are there for, to get the word out about my products. But to require someone who is not “working” for me to post credits is just absurd. Your analogy regarding Joann’s and sewing projects is excellent. I do require credit when someone uses my designs as part of the web design for their personal blogs, & for formal publications (i.e., magazines), but not for online galleries, etc. In fact, after reading your entry today, I have re-edited my TOU/EULA to make this clearer. Thank you for tackling this topic! 🙂
    .-= Cari Cruse´s last blog ..GREEN With Envy … in time for St. Patrick’s Day =-.

  43. Biograffiti says:

    “My credit requirements are pretty easy. Basically I appreciate credit at all times and would love you to credit when posting to digi-scrap galleries and forums. However, credit is only required when submitting to magazines and contests (by mail or online). Please include “[product name] by Biograffiti” and a link to my website when possible http://www.biograffiti.com.”

    Those are my TOU. I have always been torn on this subject. As a scrapper I find it a PITA and time consuming but still I ALWAYS credit when posting publicly online. As a designer I LOVE to see that someone loves my designs enough to shout it out. I leave it up to the scrapper. I do require my CT to post credits however they are compensated for their advertising/marketing. My thought is that if a customer loves my product enough they will WANT to share with others. It’s not a huge deal to me. I specialize in template design.
    .-= Biograffiti´s last blog ..a little mixed up =-.

  44. Zanne says:

    You are right Jenn… it can be a pain to get up with every little thing. Should would make life easier if you didn’t have to keep up with it & post it.

  45. Beth says:

    This post makes a lot of sense..I have read through all the comments, and I have to say there are some comments that irked me, and others that I said “Amen!” After reading this through, I have gone through and changed my TOU. As TracyK said, I was mentored on my TOU by a friend, and basically combined a few TOU together to make out what I have. I thought about it for all of maybe 2 minutes…..if I dont require credits on my CU items, why would I require it on my PU?? LOL

    Mind you, I always post credits, whether I am required or not..for several reasons..I like people to know what I am using, so if they want to use it, they can get it too!! Is it a pain? yes! Do I do it because its required? TBH I didnt know it was required by some designers till a few months ago!! To be COMPLETELY honest, up until a year ago or so, I had never read the TOU!! LOL (I was scrapping just for myself and/or making siggies–and only bought S4H friendly kits.) Most of the kits I use these days are for CTs anyways, so I always post credits! & I pretty much only use that one kit to make the layout. (Though I may use one of my own templates–and then I credit myself) 😉 LOL

    Anywho..thanks for the enlightenment!

  46. Zanne says:

    I have to ask… when browsing galleries… how often do you actually read the credits? Personally, I’m looking at the person’s work of art. Then I leave them some loves, but rarely & I do I mean rarely… do I read their credits.

  47. LisaR says:

    When I fist found digital scrapping in 2006, it didn’t seem the rules were as stringent as they have become.

    Since at that time I was exclusively a paper scrapper, I bought kits because they were like little works of art and they spoke to me.

    Fast forward to 2009, having spent couple years outside of the country, I found the digital world had really evolved and changed.

    The summer of 2009 I began digiscrapping in earnest and buying like crazy.

    But I love everything I buy, even if I won’t use it right away. I do like to mix and match my digital product and I have gotten compliments on how well disparate designs from designers mesh so well.

    I totally agree with Brandi, very few designers are now creating their own designs.

    There are whole sites devoted to designer resource products. I now study each individual preview to make sure I don’t already have half a dozen of those doodle frames or the same rose, teddy bear, ribbon or butterfly.

    I often wonder who is to be properly credited? The designer whom purchased the element and sold it in her kit or the original artist that created it?

    When I first stumbled into the digi community it seemed more fraternal and inclusive. Some sites now have an element of “meaness” and “exclusivity” that is offputting.

    I try to credit as best I can but if I have copied an element into my “working folder” and it only says png15, sorry I am not going to obsess about tracking down the designer.

    If a designer doesn’t know enough to credit each element in their kit, I’m not doing it for them.

    I have 3 EHD and I’m sorry if I can’t readily recall from which kit I pulled one particular element, I’m not going to feel guilty.

  48. Jewel says:

    This is such a great blog post. What’s even better is how it’s causing some of us to re-think things! I am absolutely editing my TOU, and I will also be sure to link to it in my forum signatures. Like a couple of other designers said, I wrote my TOU based on what some mentors had in their TOU. I heve never required credit for CU, and my TOU I think is a bit unclear for PU.

    My PU TOU asks for credit for work submitted for online and print publications … I’m going to clarify that so it’s clear that I don’t mean uploading and sharing via galleries and facebook … credit is not required for those.

    What do you guys thing about e-zines and newsletters – they are publications yes? I’m thinking for such things, requiring credit woudl be expcted, just like printed magazines.
    .-= Jewel´s last blog ..NSBR – A Lesson Learned =-.

    • Jennifer says:

      I think that they are publications because someone besides yourself has asked to use them in something. That is more like a compliment (for lack of a better word, tribute?? not sure of the word I am trying to think of) than you just wanting to share your layouts with your friends/family.

  49. Stefanie says:

    Hi! It’s about time I joined your site, since you guys stop by my blog from time to time!
    When I saw the topic of your discussion, I had to laugh, because it sent a wave of relief through me that I never have to give anyone credit for my layouts since I scrap entirely from scratch. (I ALWAYS list my fonts except on my blog where I list nothing). But it never occurred to me to credit myself! I just assumed it was obvious if nothing was listed except a font or two, that people would just KNOW that I did it myself. So perhaps I should credit myself. But don’t you think this would get tiresome to toot my own horn with every layout?

    • Jenn says:

      Oh Stefanie, go ahead and toot! Not everyone can make their own stuff, you might as well strut it if you got it! Glad you stopped by, good to see you! Thanks for chiming in 🙂

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